Topic: Jedi Logic

If you have watched Episode 3 Revenge of the Sith then I am sure you remember the jedi talking about bringing balance to the Force by killing the remaining 2 Sith. Everytime I hear that line I say to myself if they kill the last 2 Sith then how does that bring balance to the Force? Because you can not call it balance if you only have weight on one side of the Force it would be like using a scale to weigh yourself and there are no numbers to show your weight. It makes no sence and as jedi they should have known that so with my thinking that should let the Sith keep on living and fighting with the Rule of Two. To me that is True balance of the Force when you have the Ying and Yang the lightside and Darkside of the Force.

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Maybe they were talking about removing both Light and Dark extremes and having entirely "grey" Jedi.

Or, writers aren't always that nitpicky and/or their proof readers were having an off day.

Or they were making a point that the extreme Light Jedi often don't realise that the Universe strives towards a natural balance (and in Star Wars that includes the Force) and therefore even if they eradicate the Sith, then more people/Jedi will simply 'fall' to replace them.

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Welcome back Lilitia.  cool

I agree with the last part of your post where you wrote that even if they kill the Sith that more jedi will fall to the Darkside.

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Thank you. I really should remember to check this site more often.

Well isn't that part of the whole 'balance' thing as well? Jedi fall and Sith get redeemed. Isn't that the point of the Skywalker prophecy, fall and redemption to bring balance?

Also I'm sure it's mentioned more than once, or at least I can't help but remember more than one Jedi thinking that 'bringing balance to the Force' involved the eradication of evil. So maybe it's an effect of the Force, you know like how those who fall to the Dark Side sometimes fail to see it, and believe they are in control of the Force when 'it's really in control of them', and that it 'twists them up inside' etc etc. Well, maybe there's a counter effect for extreme Light Side scenarios that can blind them too.

Or maybe I'm thinking about it too much.

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I think balance in a Jedi's mind is much like peace in Societies mind today. I think it's more of an ideal, Jedi know that the balance will never stay for long, but peace generally coexists with balance. But in a way the Sith seek to over throw the balance by assuming power and wiping out the light side. The Jedi realize that without the dark there can be no light, but if the dark becomes too prevalent then the balance shifts too far. Darkness is the absence of light, and so if there is no Jedi then the balance is skewed. Where as there will always be darkness when there is light. So in a way, without the two Sith, the balance is in check. I say this because with the light, you have gray, and darkness. Which keeps the Balance. Idk I feel like I just rambled.

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I understand where you 2 are coming from and I agree with both of your posts too.

Do you all remember in episode 4 when Luke told his aunt and uncle that he wanted to join the Academy to fight in the war. Was he going to join the Empire Academy because if he wanted to join the rebels then he would just join because the rebels did not and would not have a Academy. I think if the Empire did not kill his aunt and uncle then Luke would have joined the Empire and not the rebels.

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I disagree, I think Luke was always sided with the Rebels, but the killing of his family simply furthered, and pushed him to that extent of actually joining. I don't really think Luke ever planned on joining the Empire.

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Okay, That makes sence.

We all know that the jedi say that hate, anger and everything else leads to the Darkside but if you noticed how angry Mace Windu is in Episode 2, 3 then I think he may have started sliping to the Darkside in his anger and hate towards Darth Sidious.

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What about Vrook? And probably a few other select characters.
Also, he could be like Jolee and walk that strange line between the extremes...

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I think that Jedi strive for an excellence that they will never achieve. Luke's ideal and vision of the new Order is perhaps the best. He realized what the others did not. You cannot survive without love, anger, passion, hate. You need these emotions to live, and to suppress them you end up hurting yourself. Nobody is exempt from these emotions, they're basic, and eradicating them would (in my mind) essentially eradicate yourself. I think in my mind Jolee, and Revan are the perfect Jedi. They walked the line between light and dark, and both came out the better for it. Apart from my outlook on it, I would say Yoda is the only one who truly was the 'perfect' Jedi, but because he had 900+ years to know himself and achieve inner peace.

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I agree, and I only really called it strange because so many Jedi (light and dark alike) seem to believe that only extremes can work.
Jolee is one of my fave characters, for many reasons, but mostly his views on things in general. I kind of miss that he didn't get a cameo in the second game. And I think I had another point to add onto this, but I got distracted by Pointless and forgot what it was.

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If you are on the line of lightside and Darkside then you can not call yourself a jedi or Sith but something new. The grey jedi as it is called has the best of both worlds when it comes to using the Force. My thinking is if the jedi wanted to be the perfect jedi then they need to be 3 groups, 1: Jedi 2: Sith 3: Mandalorian and if they are those 3 things then you have the perfect jedi.

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My honest opinion, is that Revan was beyond the perfect Jedi. He experienced both extremes. He was a Jedi master, and a Sith Lord. He later became something more. He was both light and dark, not a grey Jedi. But Both, he used both sides of the force. But rather than focusing on the Jedi Code, or the Sith Code. His source of power was love, and loyalty to the force and to those he loved.

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True and then the Exile would be almost the same as Revan but different because he/she fell so far that the connection to the Force was lost.

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Exactly both are my ideal vision of perfect beings of the force.

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Okay, Who would your not perfect visions of the Force be jedi or Sith?

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Wait, what do you mean?

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I mean if Revan and the Exile are perfect visions of the Force then who do you think are not the perfect visions of the Force?

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I've never really thought about that, i'd have to rewatch movies and reread some novels. I'll get back to you on that.

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Okay, Do you think Darth Bane would be a perfect vision of the Force because he knew that for the Sith to live there must be no more then 2 at any given time. Because he saw how the Sith were with 100's of Sith fighting each other and the jedi seen that way was the wrong way because with so many Sith the Darkside of the Force was weak because of all the Force users using it. So when he tricked all the Sith to use the thought bomb he brought back the Darkside of the Force to the strongest it has ever been and put in place the Rule of 2.

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