Jedi Logic (Page 3 of 3)

True. But every Jedi can fall to the darkside under the right circumstances.

Everyone is a master of their own fate. And although Revan was the one to make Malak fall, Malak could have refused, instead he followed him because he was craving power.

And I always feel bad for Anakin. He lost his mother, and when he dreamt about losing Padme he couldn't bare it and that's what ultimately led him to the dark side. With a little help from Palpatine.

I don't think it was pointless. It just proves that everyone is different and that everyone has a weakness that can lead him to the darkside.

And I cannot help but wonder that if Anakin confined in Obi-Wan everything would be different.

There's a difference between anger and rage. Sure Obi-Wan was angry and so was Mace Windu, who wouldn't be in their place. But they didn't went into a blind rage and anger like you saw in Palpatine and Darth Vader (Dooku was different though). And I don't think they were using it. I think that anger was there but they didn't give into it, like Anakin did when he killed all those Tusken Raiders...

And showing Anakin would turn Star Wars into a totally different movie. I disagree completely with you there.

Actually the reason Mace Windu seemed angry is because of his Lightsaber form. Form Seven. Juyo/Vaapad.

"Six there were for generations of Jedi. The seventh, is not well-known. Powerful form it is. Deadliest of all. But dangerous it is, for its master as well as its opponent. Few have studied. One student alone, to mastery has risen." - Yoda.

"Vaapad is more than a fighting style. It is a state of mind, a path that leads through the penumbra of the dark side."
―Mace Windu

"Form seven is very aggressive, Quin. It can take the user very close to the dark side—and you, frankly, sometimes walk too close there as it is."
―Mace Windu

Vaapad was described as more than a fighting style; it was a state of mind that led through the penumbra of the dark side, requiring the user to enjoy the fight, and relish the satisfaction of winning. The practitioner of Vaapad would accept the fury of their opponent, transforming them into one half of a superconducting loop, with the other half being the power of darkness inherent in the opponent.[11] The form was also mentioned with a cautionary warning by the Jedi that use of Vaapad led the user perilously close to the dark side due to its focus on physical combat.[1] Vaapad required a constant and sizable stream of Force use from the user, with a barely contained explosion of Force power essential to all variations of Form VII as another prerequisite for its use. The form's attacks appeared to be unconnected, its motions seemingly unpolished to an untrained observer.[16]
During the latter years of the Republic, Jedi Master Mace Windu developed Vaapad with the aid of fellow master Sora Bulq, by drawing inspiration from the movements of a creature,[2] known as both the Vaapad and the Juyo,[17] native to the planet Sarapin. Vaapad users appeared to wield many lightsabers at once, moving too fast to see, just as the vaapad creature would attack with blindingly fast tentacles that were impossible to count until the vaapad was dead. A Vaapad user's attacks would flow into each other with liquid precision, creating the constant near-invisible weave of energy which was the ready-stance of Vaapad. It was also possible to apply Vaapad in unarmed combat, with the user's arms becoming too fast to see, as well as in the use of dual lightsabers.[2] While observing the duel between Darth Sidious and Mace Windu, Anakin Skywalker considered Windu's Vaapad bladework to be "an oblate sphere of purple fire" which contained dozens of blades attacking from every angle.[18]

After his fall to the dark side prior to the Clone Wars, Count Dooku described the power of Vaapad as skirting the dark side of the Force, but stated during a duel with Sora Bulq that the form was bridled and weak without direct use of the dark side. Dooku later subverted Bulq to his cause.[19] After Bulq fell to the dark side, he claimed that he had perfected the form, which Windu disputed while engaging Bulq in a lightsaber duel. While Bulq had previously practiced Vaapad with Windu, he was unable to defeat him in combat and their duel ended in a stalemate.[12]

Indeed, I found it interesting, because I, like you agree he seemed very angry, until reading that did I understand why.

Actually I think the Emperor let Mace Windu defeat him so he could turn Anakin.

I read this fanfiction way back when called "For the Republic" before the Revan book was even a glint in anyone's eye. It was about a female Revan and I kid you not it was unbelievably the most awesome fanfiction I have ever read in my entire life.

In the beginning, the writer portrayed Malak as this real good guy sweetheart who was in love with Revan. Only Revan didn't really love him back. So yeah, he was kinda stuck in the friend zone. Malak's unrequited love "manipulated" him, causing him to follow Revan even when she started slipping. His fall thus resulted from his love for the woman he could never have. He became so corrupt because he hated that he loved Revan and she never loved him.

But the writer doesn't make Revan out to be the bad guy. Revan goes off to face the Mandalorian in order to protect the Republic. The story proceeds according to canon with Revan discovering the Star Maps, the Star Forge, and all that jazz. But beyond the Outer Rim, Revan discovers something. Something far worse than the Mandalorians. Something that could crush her beloved Republic once and for all.

Due to a bit of "madness" brought about by some darkside influences and whatnot, Revan surmises that there is only one way to save her Republic... by destroying what makes it weak and rebuilding it as a strong, infinite empire. An empire ruled by her. After all, Revan was the one who pushed back the Mandalorians. Revan sees herself as the only one strong enough to led the Republic into a new age.

But to save the Republic, sacrifices must be made. The Star Forge is not fueled by the lightside of the Force and Revan realizes she must take a darker path if she is to protect the Republic. She falls to the darkside, not because she craves power, but in order to save the one thing she loves. She falls to the darkside... for the Republic. (Author gets bonus points because they actually used the title of the fanfiction in the story.)

The writer takes this approach that Revan's army was never intended to be used against the Republic. Revan's army was to be used to strengthen the Republic in order to face the darkness lurking beyond the Outer Rim. Of course, the Jedi, in their blindness, saw only a Sith Lord marching an army against them. She had no choice but to wage a war against the Republic.

All in all, it was an epic read. I'm really not doing it justice with my summary. Y'all should look it up if you have the chance. It's fairly long though. And I don't know if the site it was on is still up and running.

Well, that's basically what happens. Malak becomes so furious at Revan that it's the whole "If I can't have you... no one can" kind of mentality that causes him to fire on Revan's ship.

I never got around to reading the book. I don't want to ruin my fandom with canon nonsense.